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I own a (Hot Rod Deville, Blues Junior, Blues Deluxe, Blues Deville, Pro Junior) can I use the information on this site?
Generally speaking, most of the stuff on this site can be applied the Hot Rod Deville, some of this can be applied to the Blues Deluxe/Deville, and very few of it can be applied to the Blues Junior or Pro Junior. They may be a part of the 'Hot Rod' lineup, but internally the BJ and PJ are totally different amps. The Blues Deluxe/Deville have quite a few similarities, but they also have some differences. If a mod or fix can be applied to one of those amplifiers, I'll mention it somewhere atop the page.
Are the Hot Rod Deluxe/Deville All Tube?
In the true sense of the phrase 'all tube?' No. The rectifier, which converts AC to DC, is solid state; the effects loop is solid state; and so is part of the Reverb unit. Most modern day amplifiers use solid state rectifiers and reverb units. Many vintage amplifiers have tube rectifiers, but they're generally considered unreliable. There are many classic Fender amps which have a SS rectifier, the blackface Twin Reverb being one. Solid state rectifiers don't 'break up' as early, allow more clean headroom, and provide less compression than their tube counterparts. This may or may not be something you're interested in. The reverb driver and recovery are also solid state, but use a real spring reverb pan like those found in Fender's more expensive amps. This may be an 'issue' to the tube purists. Both the reverb and effects loop use the same type of high quality op amps. The signal path itself (preamp/poweramp) is all tube.
What about the More Drive?
A lot of people have heard that the More Drive is solid state, or that it uses solid state components. The More Drive uses a pair of J111 switching JFETs (a type of transistor) to bypass R23 and R24—two 100KΩ resistors that are in series with V2A and V2B's cathode capacitors. Cathode caps simply increase gain by reducing degeneration (or local negative feedback), by shunting AC frequencies across the bias resistor. They're very common in both tube and solid state amps.
When the More Drive is not selected the J111 JFETs react no differently than two very large resistances. When the More Drive is selected a DC voltage is sent to the gate of both JFETs. This causes the drain and source to act like a closed switch, and the J111s turn into a dead short. As a result they jumper R23 and R24, turning the previous 100KΩ of resistance into zero ohms. Now the negative plate of the cathode caps are at ground potential, which is where they're supposed to be. As a result, the gain of both stages is practically doubled and V2A & V2B (a preamp tube) are pushed into distortion. The expendables full movie download. The increase in distortion is tube generated, and is in no way solid state. Solid state components got their bad rap from how they distort when used for amplification. The JFETs used by the More Drive do not amplify, and are nothing more than aswitch. They color the sound no more than a resistor, or a piece of wire would. If for whateverreason you wanted a permanent More Drive sound, just take two pieces of wire and jumper outboth 100KΩ resistors. So despite what some people assume, the More Drive is all tube.
A JFET 'Shunt Switch' is used because it's switch element is extremely quiet and produces nomodulation or any other unwanted effects. When cathodes are bypassed we're dealing with muchmore gain. The more drive significantly raises the noise floor of the amp. This means more hiss,buzz, and mechanical noise will be amplified through the speaker. A relay would have been toonoisy since it's mechanical—the relay's pole will bounce when it slams into the contact; resultingin a clearly audible noise. You can sometimes hear this when switching channels at low volumes.The JFETs themselves also cost less than a quarter, while the relays are at least several dollarseach.
What's the difference between the Hot Rod Deluxe and Deville?
I once heard someone say, 'the Deville is just a Deluxe with more speakers.' Not totally true, butcloser to the truth than you probably think. In fact, the Deluxe and Deville are so similar thatFender uses the exact same printed circuit board (PCB) for both models. The Deville's preamp,reverb, effects loop, and phase inverter are all exactly the same as the Deluxe's. So any Deluxe mods done to any of these parts can also be done to the Deville. On first glance even thepoweramp has a truly uncanny resemblence, though it's actually slightly different.
The main difference between these amps is the power supply, which handles 50 more volts thanthe Deluxe's power supply. This change dictates almost every other anomaly of the Deville.Naturally, the power transformer is a different model, as one of the secondaries must put out thehigher voltage. The filter circuit has more caps to handle the higher voltage, and a few bleederresistors are employed to help drain residual voltage once the amp is turned off. The outputtransformer is different, as it needs to handle 60 watts, and it has an additional 2 ohm tap which isonly used by the 4x10 model. The bias circuit is filtered a little more to reduce hum, and the +/-16V supply (powers the effects loop, channel switching, and reverb) uses the better 330 ohmpower resistors instead of 470 (R78, R79). Can i run mac software on ubuntu. Finally, as you've probably guessed, the Deville hasmore speakers that together can handle 60 watts.
Why a tweed cabinet with blackface tolex and grill?
The styling of the Hot Rod Deluxe/Deville, as well as '96-Present Blues/Pro Junior, is based on ashort-lived tweed cabinet/black tolex combination that was used in the mid-60s. I'm not sure ifany vintage Deluxes ever looked like the modern Hot Rods. Before '60 all Deluxes were tweed.From '61-'62 Fender switched to 'blonde' coverings. Then from '63 to around '68 Fender wentblackface, before setting into the silverface style for most of the 70s. Below are pictures of amodern Hot Rod Deluxe compared to a rare 1964 Champ with the original styling. A new ProJunior almost looks totally identical to this Champ.
How do I date my Hot Rod Deluxe? (Determine when it was manufactured)
If you have an older amp (usually pre-MIM) the easiest way to determine is to look at the chartbelow. Inside the cabinet is a little sticker (pictured above), usually to the right of the speaker. https://plerincencan.tistory.com/12. Itshould say 'quality assurance' on it, and have someone's handwritten initials. Look for a twoletter code on the bottom line. The first letter symbolizes the year it was made, the second letterthe month. My amp says 'LA,' so it was made in January of 2001. If it says 'JF', then your ampwas made in June of 1999. etc.
First Letter
G = 96 H = 97 I = 98 J = 99 K = 00 L = 01 M = 02
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A = JAN B = FEB C = MAR D = APR E = MAY F = JUNE G = JULY H = AUG I = SEPT J = OCT K = NOV L = DEC
Fender removed the Quality Assurance tags around the time production was moved to theMexican factory. When asked about the removal of these tags, a Fender employee said:
'The QA tags also no longer contain Date codes. That used to be a Safety agency requirement,but we have moved out of the dark ages and actually track by computer and other methods now.'- Gina D.
Fender now uses the serial number on the back panel to date their amps. Unfortunately the serial# has 'no meaning,' and access to the database that deciphers the numbers 'isn't available to thepublic.'
Also, the earliest Hot Rod Deluxes were made in 1996, and had a '50th Anniversary' logo on theback. Since this amp is arguable the most popular in the world, I'd hold on to the '50th' amps asthey may become collectable.
Which preamp tubes are V1, V2, and V3? What do they do?
V1 is the first preamp tube, and is the most tonally important as it establishes the basic sound ofour amp—every subsequent gain stage is simply making a copy of the first gain stage. Part of V2is used exclusively by the Drive channel, so if you're battling the Drive channel's demons youmay try using a lower gain tube in this slot. Many feel this helps smooth out the Drive channel,and gives an overall more 'bluesy' sound. V3 is the phase inverter, which makes sure thepowertubes are running 180 degrees out of phase. Using a lower gain tube here may help tightenthings up, and some believe it gives the Hot Rod a more vintage-like feel.
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It's been asked if V2 affects the clean channel—the answer is YES. Most people don't realize thatthe 12AX7 triode and its family (12AT7, 12AY7, etc) are actually two separate tubes inside oneenclosure. For this reason the 12AX7 family are known as dual-triodes. These 'separate' innertriodesare differentiated on schematics by the suffixes A and B, but collectively are inside thesame tube. For a better understanding take a closer look at your preamp tubes. At the right angleyou'll be able to see two identical triodes mounted side by side on spacers. Now that we knowwhere the 'A' and 'B' came from, lets map out the Hot Rod Deluxe/Deville's preamp so we canbetter understand how our tone is shaped.
The first gain stage is called V1A, and it amplifies an unaltered version of our guitar's signal.Immediately afterwards are the volume and drive controls (the drive is called 'gain' on thegraphic). As you may know, the volume is only used by the clean channel, and the drive controlis only used by drive channels; but in reality the drive control is not any different than the volumecontrol. The Drive simply pushes V1B and V2A into distortion, while the volume control doesnot. When we turn the Drive to 7, the preamp tubes are seeing the same amount of signal as theywould with the Volume set to 7. So we can play at a reasonable volume, the Master volumegrounds off much of the excess gain later in the circuit.
Our signal is then reamplified by V1B, to make up for any insertion loss (or signal loss) causedby the volume and drive controls. The next few steps are pretty straight-forward. The 'tonestack,' which you probably correctly guessed were the tone controls (Treble, Middle, & Bass)follow. Afterward V2A compensates for the insertion loss caused by the tone stack. Whathappens next will be dictated by which channel we're using.
If we're using the clean channel, then V2B is bypassed and the signal is sent straight to the poweramp. (The power amp consists of the phase inverter, the power tubes, the output transformer, andthe speaker—respectfully.) If we're using the drive channel, then another gain stage (V2B) isinserted into the chain. This adds more gain and helps push the poweramp into saturation (ordistortion) earlier. Even though V3A and V3B use 'preamp' tubes, it's actually considered part ofthe poweramp. It even distorts differently than V1 and V2.
In conclusion, we've shown that all the preamp tubes are interconnected in the circuit, andswitching one tube will affect the tone of all channels.
Why don't they call them the 'F.A.T' Series anymore?
F.A.T stands for 'Fender American Tube' series. In the summer of 2002, Fender startedmanufacturing Hot Rod Deluxes/Devilles in Mexico—probably sometime between June and July.Since they're no longer made in the USA, and to avoid confusion, they are now called the 'HotRod' series. If you look at the back plate of the amp it should tell you where it was made. On theother hand, I have a 2001 HRDx and its OEM footswitch was made in Mexico.
Is my Fender amp under warranty? Should I mod?
Fender's pretty strict about their warranties, so keep ALL your papers. In the USA, your ampmust meet a few requirements. (Other countries may have different warranty requirements)
- You must have the original receipt and be the original owner, or have the original owner'sreceipt signed over to you. (Basically, the original owner signs their name on the back ofthe receipt and dates it.)
- The amp must have been bought from an authorized Fender dealer. No used Fender'sfrom non-authorized dealers. If bought used from an authorized dealer, then that dealer isresponsible for making sure you have a warranty.
- Amp was bought from authorized dealer within the last 5 years. (Tubes and speaker areonly under warranty for the first 90 days.)
- Any fixes must be done by an authorized Fender repair service. Anyone else, no matterhow professional, will void the warranty.
- Any previous mods of any type will void the warranty. (Warranty covers manufacturingdefects only.)
Does your amp not meet these requirements? Good! Let's fire up that soldering iron and havesome fun!
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How do I contact Fender for Customer/Technical Support?
I often hear people complain that they can not get a hold of Fender's customer support, especially on Harmony Central's user reviews. The fact is, Fender did not deal with customer support through http://www.fender.com. They had a second website, http://www.mrgearhead.com, which was totally dedicated to locating authorized repair centers, schematics, instrument wirings, and answering other frequently asked questions—generally, the questions Fender gets bombarded with from all over the world. Fender has now moved the content of mrgearhead to http://www.fender.com/support/
The phone number for Fender's Consumer Relations Dept. is 480-596-7195. Before you call, realize that Fender does most of its customer service through authorized repair centers.
I also have Fender's Customer Service email, which is hard to find, but only use it if you genuinely have some sort of real problem or a serious question. Do not email them if you want to know if a Jensen speaker sounds better than a Celestion, or if you have a question on using your multi-effects processor with your Fender amp. These are not real customer support questions; ask those types of questions in the Fender Forum. If you do ask a question like those, don't be surprised if you never get any response. Also, don't use this to complain about the touchy master control or the plastic input jacks—trust me, Fender knows. People have been complaining for years. Why would they change anything on the #1 selling Fender amp of all time? (According to Shane Nicholas, Marketing Manager of Fender amps.) If you honestly have a problem that only Fender's support can answer, then contact them through email, otherwise use the Fender Forum.
FYI: I've heard that Fender has a '3 Strikes' policy. If your amp is under warranty, and an authorized tech has attempted to repair it three times and failed, Fender will replace your broken amp with a new one. While I've heard evidence to support this, I haven't officially heard it yet from a Fender representative. So ask your local authorized Fender repair person.
Was a tweed version made of the Hot Rod Deluxe/Deville?
Yes. When the Hot Rod Deluxe/Deville came out in 1996, they took the place of the BluesDeluxe/Deville—which were covered in tweed. To help make the transition Fender made sometweed Hot Rods the first few years. This version was not lacquered (to reduce cost), and containsthe same Eminence speaker as regular HRDxs.
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In the spring of 2003 Fender released a special run of lacquered tweed Hot Rod Deluxes with analnico speaker (Jensen P12N). It is uncertain how many were made. This limited edition costsabout $160 more than a normal black tolex Hot Rod. Special thanks to IkilledKenny54 for thepictures.
Were there any other versions of the Hot Rod Deluxe made?
Yes. Fender has made a few brown tolex Hot Rod Deluxes, which came with a Jensen C12Nspeaker. They're known as 'Fender Special Runs,' and are usually made specifically forcompanies who request them. The HRDx below was manufactured in Corona California, May of2002. Mexico will also be building special runs in the future when they're in demand.
In the May of 2003 Musician's Friend released a version of the Hot Rod Deluxe with 'blonde'tolex. Previously, a blonde version of the Blues Junior was available for a year or more. ThisHRDx is exactly the same as the black tolex HRDx, with the exception of looks. Last time Ichecked they were US$60.00 cheaper than the black tolex Hot Rods onmusiciansfriend.com! If the blonde tolex tickles your fancy you may want to check it out.Special thanks to 'Dan the Man' for the pics!
Fender also released two Limited Edition Hot Rod Deluxes in a polished maple cabinet thatspring. The first had a regular finish and other a three tone sunburst similar to a vintage Strat.
'The extension cabinet was built by Kim Reynolds in Northern CA. Mr.Reynolds is a master wood craftsman and guitarist who built two cabinets(one for himself and one for me). The cabinet is solid maple (birds-eye maplesides - it looks amazing up close) and features two 12' Eminence speakersarranged vertically with foam sound insulation inside to prevent acousticwave pooling. The bottom speaker is the Eminence Legend V12. The topspeaker is the Eminence Legend GB12. The two speakers have different tonalcharacteristics and together in this closed back cabinet sound huge andabsolutely amazing.' - Dan Sheridan
What kind of speaker comes stock in my HRDx?
It's well known that the stock speaker is an Eminence, but which one exactly? (Webmaster note: not necessarily true. My stock speaker was a Celestion G12P-80, which I thought didn't sound too great and swapped it out with the famous Celestion Vintage 30.) I've often heard itreferred to as 'brown label,' 'gold label,' or 'special design,' but to find out for sure I contactedEminence's customer service. With the exception of the Fender Special Runs, the speaker whichhas always came stock in the Hot Rod Deluxe is the Eminence Legend 125. Its power is rated at50w and has a ceramic magnet. (The non-special design Legend 125s are rated at 75W.)
The Limited Edition (polished maple cabinet) and Brown tolex versions have a Jensen C12N(ceramic magnet). The Lacquered Tweed Hot Rods have a Jensen P12N (alnico magnet). Theblack and blonde tolex Hot Rods come with the Eminence Legend 125.
Why do the OEM Groove Tubes have different colored labels?
Groove Tubes uses a number and colors color system to represent how early theirs tube break upinto distortion. The blue labeled Groove Tubes break up the earliest, and are numbered 1 through3. They're supposed to be used more for blues. The white labels have a medium breakup, arelabeled 4 through 7, and are the most common found in stock Hot Rod Deluxes. The red labelshave the least amount of breakup, meaning the most clean headroom, and are numbered between8 and 10. They're for really clean playing, or for someone who only uses the clean channel with adistortion pedal.
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With the exception of the 6L6GE, Groove Tubes does not make their own tubes. We can clearlysee this tube was made by Sovtek; Groove Tubes just slapped their logo overtop of it. They are atube matching service. Buying a set from GTs will cost you more than buying a matched set frompretty much anyone else. In my opinion, it is not worth it. There are many great sites that sell thesame tubes as GTs, and cost a lot less.
Note that GT no longer uses the color coded system. They now use a 'hardness' rating between 1and 10. Power tubes with a '1' rating break up the earliest, and those with '10' are the cleanest.This number will be on a sticker at the base of the power tubes.
Why Hot Rod makes a loud 'pop' when switching channels? Help!
The popping sound is normal. Everyone I've talked with has experienced it, though only at lowvolumes. When the amp is turned down the pop is commonly heard, including in my amp, but atloud volumes you should not be able to hear it. I know of no ways to correct this.
My Hot Rod isn't nearly as loud as it used to be! Help!
This is a complaint that I often hear. The reason it's sometimes difficult to resolve is becausethere are so many different things that can cause a loss of volume.
Often times people will mess around with speaker and accidently plug into the wrong speakerjack. This isn't dangerous, but it will cause a great deal of volume loss. The internal speakershould be plugged into the internal speaker jack, the one on the left, and NOT the externalspeaker jack on the right. (See above picture.) If we plug into the external speaker jack thevolume will go way down.
'But what if that's not the problem?'
Take it to a tech. If, and only if, you're technically inclined and have good problem solving skills,then you could try the following steps to resolving the problem. (I do not go into a lot of detail,like safety and the such, because I assume you already know all that stuff.)
Plug your guitar into the 'Power Amp In' of the effects loop. Is there still a big loss of volume?(Note that plugging into the Power Amp In will not be as loud as plugging into the input jacks,though it should be obvious whether you can still hear the problem.) Remember, the effects loopis placed between the Preamp and Power Amp! If the amp sounds normal when plugged into theeffects loop, then the problem is in the preamp; else, if you still hear a big loss of volume, thenthe problem is in the power amp! Most of the time the problem is in the power amp, though myHot Rod once had this problem and it was in the preamp.
Always assume the tubes, as they cause the vast majority of problems in tube amps. This is whytubes are only used in a select few products. For this reason, you should always keep a spare setof tubes around (for all your amps) for whenever a problem appears. Most of the time it will be abad tube.
Trouble Shooting the Preamp: If you have an oscilloscope and a function generator, then thisshould be very easy for you. For the rest of us, you'd be surprised by how much you can do withjust an electronic multimeter and the schematic. Is the problem only in the Drive channel? Thenthe problem is around V2B, turn the amp off, drain the filter caps, and check the continuity ofparts around V2B. Simple enough. Often times when we check the plate voltage of the preamptubes, we'll hear a 'pop' as the red probe touches the solder joint—this is normal. If you checkthe plate voltage of a certain gain stage, and you read zero volts, then a plate load resistor hascome open, and we've found our problem.
Check the plate voltage of V2A, if you hear a loud/clear 'pop' then the problem is before V2A—check V1B for the same thing and keep going back until there's no 'pop'—or until it's very quiet.Once you've figured out which gain stage the problem is located in, check the continuity of all theparts in that gain stage—sometimes a trace or solder joint has just come open. I was able toisolate the problem all the way down to a relay (K1), which lost its ability to make contact withits internal conductor. What I was hearing through the speaker was an 'echo' of the signal,caused by less-than-perfectly decoupled gain stages.
Trouble Shooting the Power Amp: There are usually a couple things that cause a loss of volumein the power amp. The first is a shorted tube, which are known to char the screen resistors. Idocumented such a case in the Problems Solved area. Theother is the 82K resistor on the phase inverter coming open, so that only one power tube isworking. I also documented such a case in the Problems Solved area. Another, though very rare case, would be a damaged/shorted outputtransformer. You should be able to tell if there's a short in the OT by checking the plate voltages,and then checking if there's any DC voltage on the secondary—which there should not be. Thelast resort would be a blown speaker.
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My Hot Rod has foam around the tubes. Should I remove it?
No. The grey foam is there to prevent high frequency oscillations and microphonics caused byspeaker vibration. It's there to stabilize the tube, and was added shortly after Mexico startedmanufacturing HRDs in the Summer of 2002. The foam is also a fireproof material and leaving itin will not cause any damage to your HRD. In fact, removing it is probably a bad idea as I'veheard someone report 'ringing sounds' after they removed their foam. So leave yours in!
Can I turn my HRDx into a head?
This question has come up quite a few times. Obviously it can be done, but it'll take a bit ofelbow grease. Firstly you must relocate all the tubes behind the chasis. You'll have to make roomfor them, so expect to move the output transformer and choke. It'd also be a good idea to plug upthose old tube sockets. Doug at Vintone has pulled this one off. Above is a picture of the final product. Though it would be much simpler (and less expensive) to just use theextension speaker out, and hook it to an external cabinet.
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The two are similar in some ways and quite different in others. The obvious differences are thedrive channel and 'more' drive. Both amps are sort of takes on a 59 Bassman according to Fenderwith the added drive, reverb and effects loop. That may be a stretch. 'Normal' Fenders, such as'black face' and 'silver face' Twins, Bandmasters, Bassmans, Deluxe Reverbs and the like have again stage, the tone stack (which introduces a lot of signal loss) and then a recovery gain stage.From there there will be a mixing stage for the channels and reverb and on to the power amp.
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The first stages are classic Fender except the BD uses a 22uf cathode bias cap while the HR usesa larger 47uf, which will create a bit more low end.
Coupling cap next is .01BD Vs .022 in HRD. Still a little more low end in the HR. The brightswitch in the BD is next. This is a non-standard Fender design, which bypasses a 100k resistorwith a 750pf cap. As the 100k resistor is attached to the 250k-volume control, it is only effectivein clean mode. The drive control in the HR is between the first and second stage.
The second stage is unbypassed in both amps. In the HR the bright switch is a .068 cathodebypass cap that is non-functioning in drive mode.
The tone stack follows the second stage. They are identical except the HR uses a 130k mid sloperesistor, while the BD is 100k. This will create a little less low end in the HR.
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The drive control precedes the 3rd stage in the BD, a standard Fender bypassed gain stage. The3rd stage is used in both clean and drive in the BD.
In the HR the 3rd and 4th stages are used in drive only. This tube is unbypassed. In More drive a1uf-bypass cap is switched in on the 3rd stage and a 22uf bypass cap is switched in on the 4thstage. (The 4th stage is not used in the BD, but is just waiting to be modded in.)
Note on bypassing. The gain in a tube stage is set by 3 components, the plate resistor, (typically100k in Fenders, larger for more gain) the cathode resistor, (typically 1.5k in Fenders, smaller formore gain) and a bypass cap that bypasses the cathode resistor. The cathode cap is not alwaysused but when it is, it will increase gain in different frequency ranges. 22uf will increase gainacross the entire guitar spectrum. Smaller will only raise gain in higher frequencies.
The master for the drive channel follows in both amps. From there the amps are nearly identical,except the HR has somewhat fuller reverb due to the design of the reverb return. (The reverbcircuit and the effects loop are solid state.) The HR has an extension speaker jack that uses the 4-ohm speaker tap on the output transformer. The BD has this tap but it is not used (but could beadded by a tech.)
In general these amps are similar. The BD will not stay as clean at higher volumes due to the 3rdstage always being active. The HR has 'improved' distortion (drive) with 'more drive' added.The HR has fuller reverb and an extension speaker jack. Both are good designs with plenty ofclassic Fender tone.
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The DeVille series is probably the mostsuccessful in Fender’s product line andthe amps came in two incarnations: theearlier offering, the Blues DeVille, and thelater version, the Hot Rod DeVille. The“updated” version was given more drive inthe overdrive channel by tapping into anunused half of a 12AX7 preamp tube (V2B)in the Blues DeVille design.
On the surface this may seem like a goodidea—make full use of a component thatis already installed and give more gain toan amp whose predecessor may not havehad enough overdrive to satisfy some rockers.While the result may have worked forsome, it’s obvious by your comment thatit did not work for you, and I don’t thinkyou’re alone. To me, this is an example of“just because you can doesn’t mean youshould.” Maybe this idea could have beenexecuted differently, but in my opinion,the way the extra stage was implemented inthese amps results in a drive channel that’svery “grainy” and not as musical as I’d like.You probably feel the same way.
Now I could just tell you to have yourtech remove R 20 and R 25 and connectthe signal input end of C 10 to pin 13 ofK2B—but I won’t. In theory, this wouldbypass the new circuitry associated withV2B, but there have been a substantialnumber of other circuit changes comparedto the Blues DeVille, so I’m not sure theremaining Hot Rod circuit would be satisfactoryenough to be worth the modification.At some point I may have the opportunityto perform this mod and I’d be verycurious to hear the results. But for now, let’ssee if I can give you a few real-world suggestionsto improve your amp.
Let’s first address your dislike of thedrive channel. I’d suggest trying differenttypes of preamp tubes, particularly in theV2 position. Changing the gain structure inthe amp with alternate tubes could possiblyresult in a more musical drive channel. Sinceit’s the most readily available, you might firsttry installing a 12AT7 in the V2 position.This will reduce the gain in the last twostages of the amp prior to the phase inverter,but know that it will affect the clean channelas well, so you may need to raise the typicalsetting of your clean volume control.
If this doesn’t yield acceptable results oryou would just like to get more adventurous,try both an ECC 832 and ECC 823in the V2 position. Each of these tubeshas one half equivalent to a 12AX7 andthe other half equivalent to a 12AU7, butthey are mirror images of each other. Thismeans that each one will reduce the gain inthe opposite stage than the other and onlyone, as a matter of fact, will affect the cleanchannel. Hopefully one of these tubes willyield a better-sounding drive channel.
Let’s move on to taming the amp’s volume.Installing 6V6 output tubes in thisamp is not something I’d recommend.The plate voltages typically used with 6L6output tubes would be a bit too high to usewith most 6V6 output tubes. That coupledwith the fact that the primary impedance ofthe output transformer is more than likelylower than what is recommended for 6V6s,I’d caution against it. And of course KT66s,being similar to 6L6s, won’t result in anysignificant power reduction.
One quick thing you might want to tryis installing a 12AT7 in the phase inverter(V3) position. It won’t reduce the amp’soutput power, but it will reduce the signalfeeding the output tubes and may giveyou more control with the master volume.As far as reducing the power that’s reachingthe speaker, there are a couple of waysto accomplish this. One is to use a powerattenuation device of some sort, such as aTHD Hot Plate, Tube Amp Doctor Silencer,Rivera RockCrusher, Tone King Ironman,Dr. Z Air Brake, and Alessandro Muzzle.Inserted between the output of the amp andthe speaker, these devices allow you to adjustyour amp to the settings that sound and feelthe best, and then attenuate the amount ofpower being sent to the speaker. This letsyou control the overall volume. Some playersget creative and mount these devices in theback of their combo, so the unit is alwaysconnected and ready to go.
Another way to reduce the output powerof your amp is to use a device called aYellow Jacket, which is designed by THDElectronics. These adaptors plug into theoutput sockets of your amplifier and convertthe output tubes from the current 6L6s toEL84s. Doing this will reduce the outputpower of your amp from 60 watts to approximately20-30 watts. This should provide amuch more manageable power for smallervenues. However, this will also change theamp’s sound. While 6L6s have an open,glassy tone, EL84s tend to be more compressedwith a bit more midrange and lesshighs. Depending on what you’re lookingfor, this could actually be an added benefit.
Well, there you have it—some simple,player-friendly possibilities to tame youramp. I hope one of them helps make yourDeVille divine.
Jeff Bober is one ofthe godfathers of thelow-wattage amp revolution,co-founded and wasthe principal designer forBudda Amplification. Jeff recently launched EASTAmplification, and he can be reached atpgampman@gmail.com.